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			<title><![CDATA[ shamble/shambles ]]></title>
			<link>http://wordoriginsorg.yuku.com/topic/6149/t/shamble-shambles.html</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ The word &quot;shambles&quot; has a defined etymology dating to the 15th century. The original meanings of 'stool' to 'table' to 'slaughter house', and eventually to &quot;(1): a scene or a state of great disorder or confusion (2): great confusion&quot; (MWO), makes sense. It comes form Latin, and possibly back to Sanskrit.<br><br>But what about &quot;shamble&quot;, to walk with shuffling feet? The etymology in MWO only gives a date of 1691 but no clue what language it started from.... ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:25:53 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Smart ass ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Isn't this an oxymoron? There is nothing smart about a stupid ass.<br><br>So how did it come about? And when? ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:09:40 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ het ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ As in "he's het up" meaning he's angry.<br><br>My SOED doesn't list "het" although it's been around longer than my old dictionary, and I'm assuming it's from the verb "heat".  Is "het" an older version of "heat", dialect, or modern slang? ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:47:28 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Read the Riot Act ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies.  God Save the King.<br><br>Enacted 1714, repealed 1973.<br> ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:59:09 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Vicious circle ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ But where did it start? ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:55:10 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ dative and case ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ In the thread on "won" I used the word  "dative" to describe the noun when it functions as an indirect object after a verb, to distinguish it from other nouns which are "direct objects" or in the "accusative case."<br><br>Here is an example:<br><br>In Hebrew, "Nitsachti et ha-oyev" means "I defeated the enemey."  "Oyev" here is the direct object.<br><br>"Nitsachti ba-milchama" means literaly "I won (in) the war".  "war" is an indirect object, in that it is preceeded by a preposition.  This... ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:00:50 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ won ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ My six year old often claims to me:  "I won you daddy," and she is not referring to the lottery held before souls enter lives.<br><br>She is referring to the agonic meaning, more usually expressed in English as "I beat you,:" "I defeated you."<br><br>Is there any precedent for her usage?  Is "win" only used referring to the thing one, but not the person/entity from which the prize is won?<br><br>I sense she is translating from Hebrew, of which she is native speaker (bilingual) where the word... ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:49:56 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Limbo ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ <i>Jack be nimble, Jack be quick<br>Jack go under the limbo stick.</i><br><br>As one song had it. Any connection at all between the dance and Purgatory? ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2004 15:25:40 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Bad ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Don't know if we've been this way before, but it's interesting that the word had the original meaning of 'effeminate, womanish', used contemptuously (as in <i>badling</i>). OED1<br><br>"I'm bad, I'm bad!"<br><br>Yes, yes, we know, Michael. ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:43:56 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Finally, why LAX is LAX ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ <a href="http://www.skygod.com/asstd/abc.html" target="_new">Airport codes and the reasoning behind them.</a><br><br>I think wg asked this a while back. ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:31:35 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Heaven for climate, hell for society ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Robert Hartwell  Fiske is a member of ADS who also publishes a monthly word journal, <i>The Vocabula Review</i>.  Often, when a new issue is coming out, he posts a free excerpt at ADS-L.  This month, his excerpt has a quote from author Joseph Epstein which reads:<br><br>"I was signing a few books the other day after a talk I gave at<br>a woman's club in Chicago, when someone remarked on the weather, and a<br>very nice woman cited Mark Twain as saying, 'Heaven for climate, hell... ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2004 10:52:48 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Family and Place names ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Can you provide information as to how and especially why names such as Thompson, Simpson, Campbell, Hampstead and Hampton acquired the letter "p".  I know for a fact that each of these names originally was spelled without the letter "p".<br>Please explain.<br>David L. Braddell<br>e-mail -  davidlbraddell@yahoo.ca ]]></description>

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			<title><![CDATA[ delator (?) ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ I am working on a Hebrew text (for the maven, Rashi on Ex. 2:14), and the author uses the word "delatorin" to mean something like "informers (to Pharaoh) " or "sycophants".  The singular would be "delator", I would suppose.<br><br>Is this Latin?  What does it mean?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Reb Wlm. ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:35:20 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Cooler ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ William H. Macy film - cooler is the cursed schmo with luck so bad it spreads to those around him (to "cool off" their winning streaks).  Is this an established usage, or made up for the film?<br><br>Do such jobs exist?  Where do I apply?<br><br> ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:13:55 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ California or Busta ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ (Mainstream newspaper) caption of a photo of breakdancers read "Bust A Move".  What exactly does "Bust a" mean, and is it indeed a verb?  "Break out your [best] moves" - sumpin ladat?<br><br>I assume it is the impetus behind Rapster "Bustah Rhymes" (sp?) moniker.<br><br> ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2004 08:11:20 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Colonel (Southern style) ]]></title>
			<link>http://wordoriginsorg.yuku.com/topic/6138/t/Colonel-Southern-style-.html</link>
			<description><![CDATA[ What is it with all these Kentucky, etc Colonels? I read that Tom Parker (Elvis' manager) got his from the Governor of Louisiana. Is it a peculiarly Southern thing? I don't recall hearing of any Northern (non-military) Colonels? Does the rank carry duties, or is it totally bogus? ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2004 07:09:11 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Malay/Indonesian ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ Interesting article on <a href="http://monolith.eva.mpg.de/~gil/riau/without-name.html" target="_new">Riau.</a> ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2004 03:29:13 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Kissing cousin ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ What precisely is this? ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2004 03:15:12 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ A load on ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ <i>I had a load on last night.</i> Americanism for inebriated, yes? How old?<br><br>OK, I'll try to get two for the price of one. How about <i>get a load of this?</i> How far back does that go? ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2004 03:11:05 GMT</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[ On a hiding to nothing ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ As in <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3361-871912,00.html" target="_new">this example</a><br><br><i>Zaccheroni on a hiding to nothing in attempt to revive Inter's fortunes</i>.<br><br>Any origin for it? ]]></description>

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			<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2004 02:07:40 GMT</pubDate>
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