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aldiboronti |
Heavens to Betsy |
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Posts: 8497 (03/26/02 04:18:29) |
Where does this one originate? I`ll resist the temptation to add `Heavens to Murgatroyd`, because I have a sneaking suspicion Snagglepuss came up with that one himself.
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DaveWilton |
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Posts: 7490 (03/26/02 09:35:50) Administrator |
It's just a euphemism, but what "betsy" is a euphemism for is anyone's guess. It dates to 1891.
I have no clue about "murgatroyd," although I suspect that Snagglepuss didn't coin it. |
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Posts: 0 (03/26/02 21:06:16) |
I've seen "Heavens-to-Betsy" from 1878. I don't know how it arose.
"Heavens to Murgatroyd" is -- I feel sure -- just a joke consciously modeled on the above. If it wasn't invented for Snagglepuss, perhaps it was invented earlier for the Three Stooges or the Marx Brothers or .... |
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wordgeek |
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Posts: 8928 (03/26/02 21:43:30) Banned User |
QEI, perhaps?
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Posts: 0 (03/26/02 21:56:47) |
QEI has been suggested, along with Betsy Ross, and also "Betsy" as a nickname for a long gun in early America.
I think asking "Who/what is Betsy?" is premature since nobody has yet (AFAIK) shown why there should be an exclamation "Heavens to [any name]" in the first place. I would guess that the interjection is originally an alteration of something with a different sense of "to" ... for example one can imagine a pious exclamation on the order of "Heavens to come", perhaps "Heavens to be" (like "Glory be"), or perhaps "Heaven forbid" misunderstood as "Heaven for Biddy [i.e., Bridget]" and then altered further, or .... |
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aldiboronti |
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Posts: 8497 (03/27/02 04:55:41) |
Google suggests Quadrant Engineering Inc, Qualification of Elevator Inspectors, Queen Elizabeth Islands, Quarterly Economic Indices of the Philippines, Quality Expo International, Quality Employment Indicators, and on, and on, if not ad infinitum certainly ad tediosissimum. Elevator inspectors, renowned as they are for their rapier-like wit and sardonic humour, still seem an unlikely source for `Heavens to Murgatroyd`.
The depth of my ignorance now revealed, will somebody fill me in? QEI? |
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Posts: 0 (03/27/02 05:06:33) |
Queen Elizabeth I ... suggested as a possible "Betsy".
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aldiboronti |
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Posts: 8497 (03/27/02 05:17:05) |
Ay caramba! This comes of reading posts too quickly, and overlooking the fact that Betsy was being referred to rather than Murgatroyd (BTW is that a real name?)
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Eyehawk |
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Posts: 2309 (03/27/02 08:19:02) |
I believe Red Skelton, the comedian, used the term "Heavens to Mergatroid" while playing his TV character Clem Kadiddlehopper back in the '50s.
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Dr Techie |
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Posts: 9773 (03/27/02 09:13:53) |
I think you're right about Red Skelton, though I haven't thought of that line in years. The conventional spelling (it's a real name) is Murgatroyd, BTW.
Charles Funk and others have spent a good deal of time trying to track down "Betsy" without being able to identify any specific person as the basis of the expression. It may relate to the use of the term as a nickname for the frontiersman's rifle. It originated in the US and first shows up in the 19th century, so Elizabeth I is a most unlikely candidate. |
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Eyehawk |
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Posts: 2309 (03/27/02 09:41:29) |
I don't know what the official spelling is, but I found sites using both spellings. I found more sites with my spelling (Mergatroid). What or who is it the name of, Dr. Techie?
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Dr Techie |
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Posts: 9773 (03/27/02 10:07:19) |
Beats the heck out of me. I think it was just a funny name Skelton (or whoever orginated the phrase) substituted for the plain "Betsy".
Try searching on "Murgatroyd" rather than "Heavens to.." and you'll find plenty of examples, both as a first and last name. A straight search of "Murgatroyd" turns up >12,000 hits, "Mergatroid" "titles" (i.e., made-up names). And then there's "Murgatroid", ~3700 hits. Hmm. FWIW, a poster on "The Phrase Finder" claims that the phrase refers to a character from Gilbert and Sullivan's _Ruddigore_, specifically "the ghost of Sir Ruthven Murgatroyd". phrases.shu.ac.uk/bulleti...s/649.html Searching on "Heavens to..." the most popular spelling on the net seems to be Murgatroid (1930 hits) followed by Mergatroid (405), Murgatroyd (231) and Mergatroyd (33). However, the u/y version is unquestionably the most common spelling of the actual name; I suspect the -oid versions have originated by misspelling this rare name under the influence of the common noun/adjective ending -oid. |
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Eyehawk |
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Posts: 2309 (03/27/02 13:29:04) |
It's not hard to see how that word gave birth to that many different spellings. In the long run, it isn't a hand-wringing spelling error, so I won't lose sleep over it.
It's also easy to see how someone could have picked that name and added it to "heavens to...". It's too funny to miss. "Heavens to Betsy" was probably funnier in the past and has lost some of its original punch. |
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wordgeek |
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Posts: 8928 (03/27/02 13:41:42) Banned User |
I notice that most of the refs on the "M" name are from Oz. Also seems popular as a name for TOWNS there.
So I am surprized at the UBlish amongst us questioning the existence of such a name. How does a pseudo-Welsh(?) surname pop up in said penal colony? Sure doesn't sound like anything aboriginal. I always assumed that most Ozzie surnames and place names came directly from settlers/explorers/prisoners, and therefore gave rise to a similar distribution as in Mother England. I cannot recall any "typically American" surnames/town names for that matter. Of an English bent, that is...of course we have myriad "native" and other names. |
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