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aldiboronti |
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Posts: 8497 (02/09/07 09:54:04) |
A staple of Americana, but where does the phrase come from? Were schoolhouses actually painted red at one time, or is this from some classic early American book?
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jgorman64 |
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Posts: 3698 (02/09/07 10:09:19) |
Most were painted red. Some white (as in Tom Sawyer's story about a white-washed fence). Some few were red brick.
But most were red for the same reason that most of our barns were red. No shortage of iron-oxide as a pigment. I think that this blogger quoting a 1987 reminiscence is about right. In early days there was no scarcity of iron ore even in quite early days and relics of old iron furnaces are preserved in many places of Pennsylvania....When iron ore- or iron oxide- was ground fine, it could be used as pigment generally called venetian red. This was the inexpensive red coloring used in barn paint. One "vehicle" (liquid) into which iron oxide pigment was mixed was none other than buttermilk. The casein served in the same way it does in so-called water based paints of today. And another take along the same lines: The fact is that red pigment is cheap and readily available from natural sources. Iron oxide -- rust -- is what makes brick clay the color that it is. That's the shade of red that we westerners are accustomed to -- the rusty red we use to stain our redwood decks. It's obviously fairly stable too, since rust can't rust and ain't likely to fade." Kemper also speculates that white "was unacceptable to farmers because it required constant cleaning and touching up to retain its charm." |
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Posts: 9773 (02/09/07 10:16:09) |
Jim pipped me while I was dilly-dallying around the Straight Dope site, having retrieved this, but I post it anyway in support of his answer.
Afterthought: I suspect that the iron oxide, in addition to pigmenting the paint, acted as "filler" that improved the mechanical strength of the organic matrix (mostly crosslinked linseed oil), and also contributed to faster curing ("drying") of the paint by catalyzing the oxidation that produces the crosslinks. |
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aldiboronti |
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Posts: 8497 (02/09/07 11:00:00) |
An interesting (and surprising) answer. Thank you both.
Does this account for the traditional toy red wagon of "I'll fix your little red wagon", ie I'll put a spoke in your wheel? |
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aldiboronti |
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Posts: 8497 (02/09/07 11:04:17) |
Ah, it seems not. This old thread shows that the phrase doesn't date back that far.
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kurwamac |
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Posts: 1210 (02/09/07 14:09:53) |
Quote: Wasn't that his aunt's house, though, not a schoolhouse? |
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jgorman64 |
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Posts: 3698 (02/09/07 15:27:24) |
Wasn't that his aunt's house, though, not a schoolhouse?
Right and it wasn't her house and it wasn't Tom Sawyer's story. |
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foolscap(d) |
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Posts: 720 (02/09/07 19:53:53) |
Afterthought: I suspect that the iron oxide, in addition to pigmenting the paint, acted as "filler" that improved the mechanical strength of the organic matrix (mostly crosslinked linseed oil)
This is certainly true. Any pigment adds to the UV resistance of the organic matrix or film and metallic pigments give body and strength. Modernly, iron oxide pigments are "fired" to achieve the exact shade desired and generally red iron oxide has a slightly purplish and darker hue compared to the brick-red of rust. Yellow iron oxide (yellow ochre) is fired at a lower temperature and is added to red iron oxide to achieve venetian red in typical paint store pigments. The difference in the chemical nature between the two is observed in the fact that red iron oxide is easily missible in water but not very much so in oil, whereas yellow iron oxide goes into oil readily. The original pigments, I believe, were mined from the ground and various regions of Italy like Umbria have been the basis of the names of certain pigments. Ordinary clay can be a very suitable pigment for linseed oil paints, and in fact the orange clay that yields terra cotta is quite powerful and tenacious. (Don't clean your equipment in the bathtub.) Lead oxides remain unsurpassed in performance (and of course toxicity) in conjunction with linseed oil. They are a better catalyst than iron and create an amazingly tough film. I remember once trying to free up a door jamb of 100 years of paint and the lowest layer was almost impervious even to a sharp chisel. Burning it off worked, but the smell and taste let me know it was lead pigment. The source of white pigment in the 19th century was probably chalk, white lead, zinc oxide, or just any white mineral. I don't know the process of deriving casein paint, but it seems unlikely that straight buttermilk would do the trick. The protein from the milk is the binder and as far as I can tell it would have been used for interiors, but I could be wrong. By necessity it would have required some lead or zinc content to kill the mildew and fungus. And what about that Japanese egg-based medium, tempura? (battered and fried) |
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Posts: 861 (02/12/07 05:55:46) |
Now I wonder if that's the phrase the British writers of 'The Little Red Schoolbook' were thinking of when they titled their manifesto for schoolkids in the late 60s/early 70s. (I think that's the date but I mislaid my copy years ago so can't check immediately.)
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Steve G |
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Posts: 755 (02/12/07 06:03:15) |
I had assumed that it was inspired by Mao Tse-tung's "little red book"?
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flynn999 |
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Posts: 861 (02/12/07 06:56:20) |
Indeed it was, I was just idly wondering if they had the American phrase in mind as well as it's the first time I've heard it. Have now found the authors and date though: Soren Hansen and Jesper Jenson, 1971 (pity I can't find my original copy, rats!)
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Eyehawk |
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Posts: 2309 (02/18/07 02:01:12) |
The problem with red, for us signpainters, is that red sign paint fades faster than all the other colors.
Check out the next truck going down the street with multiple colors painted on its side. If red is included, it is the first to fade. We don't recommend it. |
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