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cjohnsonmd |
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Posts: 27 (02/14/07 08:37:15) |
Many things commonly come in packages of twelve; a dozen roses, donuts, eggs etc. Why was this size chosen as the standard?
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janeskid |
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Posts: 347 (02/14/07 09:17:38) |
A math forum states:
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Dr Techie |
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Posts: 9773 (02/14/07 09:33:21) |
Not to mention inches in a foot and months in a year, and twice twelve hours in a day (12 each in night and "day"(in the more restrictive sense)).
It goes back at least to the Romans, who typically divided things into twelfths (the uncia, whence our ounce and inch, was the name given to 1/12 of a pound and 1/12 of a foot). There may be a mystical/astronomical connection (12 constellations of the zodiac and/or lunar months (roughly speaking) in a year), but it likely was also influenced by the fact that there are more ways to divide 12 (divisible by 2, 3, 4, and 6) than 10 (divisible by 2 and 5). This is also significant when it comes to arranging things in packaging: a 3x4 array is usually more compact than 2x5, and if you can stack the items, then a dozen offers a 2x2x3 arrangement, generally much more efficient than one layer of 2x5. The Babylonians took divisibility even more seriously and grouped things by 60s (divisible by 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 15, 20 and 30), from which we get 60 minutes in an hour, 60 seconds in a minute, and 360 degrees in a circle. None of this addresses the real mystery: why are hot dogs sold by tens and hot dog buns by eights or dozens? Note: I'm not mantling janeskid, I just took a while to write this, due to interruptions. |
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Steve G |
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Posts: 755 (02/14/07 09:56:59) |
Quote: So the really fastidious are forced to buy 4 or 6 packs of hot dogs |
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bayard(d) |
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Posts: 53 (02/15/07 11:05:56) |
Isn't the 360 degrees in a circle because there are (approximately) 360 days in the year? (Or, if you agree with Velikovsky, there were once exactly 360 days in the year, until the Earth's orbit was changed by collision with a very large meteorite, or something - it's a long time since I read any Velikovsky.)
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Dr Techie |
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Posts: 9773 (02/15/07 12:07:53) |
While I wouldn't say the idea that it's connected to the (approximate) number of days in a year is ridiculous, the standard explanation connects it to the Babylonians' propensity for 60 and the fact that a circle is easily divided into six segments whose chord length is equal to the radius. See the discussions at Dr. Math.
As for Velikovsky, his stuff I would say is ridiculous, but this is not the forum to debate it. |
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Posts: 1376 (02/15/07 13:25:04) |
In H.G.Wells's novel "The Sleeper Awakes" (published about 100 years ago, and downloadable free from Project Gutenberg) the future world into which the protagonist awakens, has adopted duodecimal numeration in place of decimal (I read the book a little less than 100 years ago, and it may have been some entirely different book). The reasons are probably utilitarian --- I don't recall.
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Dr Techie |
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Posts: 9773 (02/15/07 14:27:56) |
I believe you're thinking of A Modern Utopia.
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Victorine |
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Posts: 11 (02/15/07 22:35:42) |
in my native language (Russian/Ukrainian) we do not use the word dozens, we use tens instead.
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Posts: 1376 (02/15/07 23:04:49) |
No, Dr. Techie, it was The Sleeper Awakes. I checked the Gutenberg edition:
Quote: (Raises glass with self-satisfied smile. Eructates gently.) |
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language hat |
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Posts: 2772 (02/16/07 08:04:52) |
"...and a dozand dozand a myriad. Very simple?"
Except that it's virtually impossible to pronounce dozand dozand distinctly! |
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Dr Techie |
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Posts: 9773 (02/16/07 09:06:26) |
[Tips hat to Lionello]
He does also mention converting to the duodecimal system in Modern Utopia, apparently it was a Thing with him. Little did he guess that by the 21st century, there'd be far more people using the hexadecimal system than duodecimal. |
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Faldage |
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Posts: 2176 (02/16/07 17:25:05) |
Quote: That's why they call it a myriad. |
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Posts: 1376 (02/17/07 00:46:44) |
Mary had a myriapod
That gambolled in the street; Over the cobblestones there trod A dozand dozand feet. |
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